As some of you might have already known, I had purchased a U-Boat Flightdeck CAS 50mm watch, which many on the forum kept saying was “Cheaply made” and they felt that the metal was cheap and that the crystal was cheap. I had a totally different experience and felt that the case machining was on par with anything in the price range, and that the only part that was neglected was the finish of the movement. I’ll elaborate a bit more here.

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There is a general shot of the U-Boat, atop the U-Boat box. As you can see, the lines on the bezel are crisp and sharp, an indication of high-end finishing techniques, usually executed partially by hand. The strap on the other hand, while made in Italy by hand, is ugly. The preforated inserts on the strap serve to cheapen the overall look of the watch, and I immediately put it on a StrapLuxe grey leather strap with white stitching which matches the watch perfect in my opinion.

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A close up of the dial, and you can see the crisp lines of the bezel in this photo as well. The dial lume is applied meticulously and precisely. While this watch is made in Italy, I have no doubt that the quality of the painting on the dial is up to the standards of similarly priced swiss watches. While the overall style of the watch probably does not ooze class, it is a well made watch in my opinion. The crystals are Sapphire, and the case steel is 316L, the same type as most high-quality Swiss watches.

It was told to me that the quality of this watch was no better than the Nixon watches out there. While I might agree with this statement if it were applied to Hamilton watches or Swiss Army Victorinox case finishing, I would not agree in repect to U-Boat. I would put U-Boat solidly along the lines of Tag Heuer’s Carrera line for quality of finish.

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The movement finish on the other hand is sorely lacking, and not up to the quality standards of even Tag Heuer. The U-Boat movements are definately in the same quality range as Hamilton. The extra canteen hardware is very well machined and made as well, given a quality feel when unscrewing and using the canteen cover.

The Plain Jane Valjoux/ETA 7750 is visible on the caseback as can be seen, and is mounted reversed for a left-crown configuration, an obvious necessity given the size of crown and 50mm case diameter. The watch is quite heavy and does not feel light for its size in my opinion.

Not seen in the photos is the U-BOAT deeply engraved on the side of the case, which is deeply sunken and bead basted in the deep parts, given the case an extra level of finish. I purchased this watch from a friend, after I had handled it and felt that the quality of the finish was at an acceptable level. I have since sold this watch, mostly because I found the 50mm size a bit inconvenient. It makes the watch somewhat impractical for daily wear, and sometimes the size makes it look a bit tacky IMO. This is the “mid-sized” U-boat, with a larger 55mm size and smaller 43mm version available.

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There’s the proverbial wrist shot, mounted on the stock strap and shown on my 6 3/4″ wrist. While it is large, and somewhat saucer-like in appearance, it is not entirely out of the question, and much more manageable than I would have thought 50mm would be. Now, the 55mm version would be totally out of the question for me, but I could see a guy with an 8″ wrist pull a 55mm U-Boat off no problem…

It wasn’t that long ago that when you purchased a New Swiss Made automatic Watch, you were guaranteed at least an ETA 2824 movement in it. While the ETA 2824 movement is by no means a rare or exciting automatic movement, it is reliable and can be very accurate in it’s highest level of finish. The ETA 2824 is used by a very large number of companies including Breitling, Hamilton, Oris, Omega, Tudor, Eterna, Tag Heuer and many many others including most of the German Brands.

ETA 2824-2 from a Limes Watch

ETA 2824-2 from a Limes Watch

After that came the Sellita SW200 movement, a direct copy of the ETA 2824 that is mostly made in Switzerland. While it is unknown how much of the parts are made in China, they at least come close to ETA in their quality. They are cheaper movements, and many brands including Invicta, Oris, Enzo and Eterna have begun to use the Selitta SW200 in their watches. I don’t mind the Selitta too much, at least it is somewhat comparable to the ETA-2824. The next step is a bit more disturbing.

While its not a new thing, many people many not be aware that an Invicta brand named Technica Swiss Ebauches purchases chinese made Sea-Gull movements and final finishes them in Switzerland and badges them as Swiss Made. Swiss Made regulations only provide that at least 50% of the value of the movement must be from Switzerland. With the price of the Chinese Ebauches being so low, its not difficult to refinish the movements in Switzerland in order to meet the criteria.

Swiss Mechanical Invictas

Swiss Mechanical Invictas

This is an unfortunate situation, and devalues the Swiss Made brand. Invicta has done well by selling a large number of watches, purchasing higher end brands like S. Coifman and devaluing them as well. While I think that Invicta has some good value in their lines, the majority of their designs are either very ugly, or hommages. The Invictas above sell for $119, and claim to have Swiss Made movements inside them.

I guess the point I am trying to make here is that the Swiss Made brand is being devalued and I think its a shame – hopefully its prestige can be maintained rather than be tainted by the likes of Invicta.

Bremont has a Very Cool video on their website showcasing the level of testing their Anti-Shock Martin Baker watch has gone through. Bremont also hardens their watch cases to a higher vickers than other brands.

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The Martin Baker watch is tested vigorously and this watch is testiment to that. There is also a show reel and walpole award video that is worth checking out. Thanks to TZ for the heads up.

http://www.bremont.com/video.php

I received a very cool email today, asking me for some advice on what watch to buy.. here is the email from Scott:

Let me start by saying that I love your website. I am sure that you are a very busy man and get TONS of email questions. I get on your website and blog it at least once every two weeks. I am a Breitling fan and I have been fortunate enough to have owned two of them.

My first luxury watch was a two-tone Omega Seamaster that I purchased in 1995. I sold that to my brother-in-law and got a two-tone Breitling Chronomat in 1996. That Chronomat was loosing about 5-6 minutes per month, so I took it in for service to an authorized dealer in Philadelphia, PA. It turns out that it was stolen in the mail, so I got store credit towards a new watch in the store.

I wound up getting an all stainless Crosswind in 1996. It had a considerably larger footprint and I liked it a lot better than my Chronomat. I was involved in an accident in 1997 and ended up selling it back to the jeweler that I purchased it from in Philly to help cover my medical expenses. Ever since that day I have anticipated getting another high-end luxury watch. I bought a Tag Heuer 2000 in 1998 and it is still on my wrist today. I am in a position that I am very close to getting a high-end watch towards the end of next year.

I have narrowed my new watch down to two brands/models. One is the Rolex Submariner in stainless (the 16610), the other is the Chronomat Evolution in two-tone rose gold with the roman numeral markers and the 18 kt. bezel (blue dial). Comparing the two, the Breitling looks a lot better and is bigger I like the additional functionality of the chronometer function (that I would have to get a Rolex Daytona to have). Another plus is that it is two-tone versus all stainless steel. My two questions and concerns in terms of deciding between the two are this:

There is an authorized Rolex dealer / jeweler only 20 miles from my home in small-town Pennsylvania versus the closest authorized Breitling dealer is in Philly, some 2.5 hours away from my home. The other primary decision maker for me is the Breitling’s gold-plated pushers and crown. Now, I never had any problems on my original Chronomat with the gold-plating wearing off and looking bad, but I only owned it for a very short period of time. I did not have it long enough for it to wear off and I am not concerned about the rolled-gold on the pilot bracelet. I am however, very concerned about the gold plating wearing off in the next 5-7 years through wearing it day in and day out and not ever taking it off of my wrist.

I was wondering what your take on these two concerns would be, particularly your take on the gold-plated hardware on the Breitling. I am not one to take my watch off ever. The only time I take it off is to clean it or to service it. I sleep with my watch on, shower with my watch on, swim, snorkel, perform chores–everything I do, my watch never leaves my wrist, not even when I am deep into the Pennsylvania woods “roughing it” camping.

Believe it or not, for a cheap ($960 brand new) watch, my Tag Heuer has been through a lot of abuse and I have never had any major service on it–though it has a lot of battle scars and the rotating bezel has not rotated in a lot of years now. Even my luminous markers still vaguely light up in the dark.

So, my important question to you remains: If you had the choice of the two watches and an allowance of about $5500 to spend to own one for the next 20 years, which one would you choose? More importantly, why would you choose one over the other?

I surely appreciate your expertise and options regarding this matter and I love your website and blog! Please keep up the work, it is greatly appreciated!!!!

Dear Scott,

Thanks for your email, and your compliments on my site. They are appreciated.

Tag Heuer makes a very reliable watch, and I’m glad that you are happy with yours. I’ve owned them in the past and they have served me well.

The question of choosing between the Rolex Submariner in stainless steel and the two-tone Chronomat is a tough one. I would recommend perhaps going for the 18K Bezel version as opposed to the Two-Tone version if you can spend the extra money, as its a nicer accent in my opinion, also the Bezel is solid 18K Gold.

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The first suggestion I would make is to try both the watches on and see which one calls to you and feels right. The Rolex is a classic design, and has not been changed for 50 years, more or less. The Chronomat’s general design is about half as old, but still relatively recognizable, if not iconic. The Breitling does come with the Chronograph feature, and a larger diameter and what I think is a superior bracelet. The Rolex uses superior steel, and has a basic in-house movement.

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Both are excellent watches, and the choice has to be a personal one. For me, the Rolex would not do it for me, as I get bored of the style a bit. It is an excellently made watch, with great attention to detail, but it is too simple for me if I were to only have one watch. This is a personal thing.

Both watches are reliable and robust. Breitling fans will complain that the Rolex is boring, uninspired and small, and that too many other watches look like. Rolex fans will complain that Breitlings are loud and gaudy and belong on the wrist of rappers and movie stars and those that want to show off their watches and seek attention.

Regards,
Breitling Source

Here is a video review that I just posted of the Breitling SuperOcean Heritage 46. I bought one of these and a Heritage 38 for my wife and myself as wedding gifts… we had them engraved and you can see that in an earlier post. This is the first of the reviews, looking at the 46mm Heritage on the Mesh Ocean Classic bracelet.

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